Comments on Right Minds: An Abortion Party

For the record though I really like soapie's idea ...

2009-07-18T07:37:54.259-07:00

For the record though I really like soapie's idea of sex as a contract, an idea later picked up by TAO. Basically what it says is that the act of sex has consequences built-in and you ASSUME those risks going in so to speak. Many would say in an ideal world sex would just be sex, God would have made some other way for humans to reproduce and left sex solely for pleasure but it is what it is as they say. I ain't the Creator and so soapie's idea makes the most sense. It's like go out in the rain and you expect to get wet, you don't curse the sky. Actually this isn't a very social conservative argument when you stop to think about it. The so-cons would say don't have any sex, don't even think about it, what we're saying is if you do assume the risks going in and don't get all bent out of shape because it didn't go the way you planned. Go out in the sun and get sunburnt, have sex and maybe wake up with a bun in the oven, ain't hard to figure but people act surprised just the same. IMO abortion is a denial of basic reality and that's the other problem.

I'm guessing you work for some pro-abortion outfit...

2009-07-18T07:13:17.749-07:00

I'm guessing you work for some pro-abortion outfit in some capacity because it's all from the same playbook. It's a Catch-22 with you people, you want me to say abortion is Murder and to be consistent to then say everyone should be in prison and yet if I say this it'd be an example of pro-life radicalism that you'd then shove in my face. It's not an honest tactic on your part but for the record most pro-lifers advocate penalizing the doctors involved and not the women and those penalties are all over the map. Your's is a low-rent argument, you can do better I'm sure. As for your statistics they are indeed depressing, 41% of all women in your demographic having had abortions is very very sad. Numbers don't determine morality for me, that's weak. As for self-righteousness that's the whole problem with liberalism, they never want to discuss or pass judgement on private behavior. It's an inviolate rule with them but I've a right to my view even if you think I don't that people can and have brought children into the world whom they weren't ready for but they managed. As I've said over at my own blog liberalism fosters social irresponsibility, what abortion does is separate the act of sex from its consequences, sex no longer has any gravitas and so abortion has no gravitas. The wife has sex with the mailman while her husband is at work, gets pregnant and then aborts the child. My basic problem with liberalism is it's amoral, they never discuss context when discussing abortion. Liberalism is a vast moral vacuum.

Z-man, I'm pretty sure that whatever language you...

2009-07-17T11:50:30.790-07:00

Z-man,

I'm pretty sure that whatever language you could share wouldn't exactly shock me. I'm on the cusp of 50 and I believe I've gotten and given as good as there is.

There are between 30 and 40 million individual women who've had abortions -- total abortions total approximately 50 million.

I don't believe that these women belong in jail, but if you think it is murder, why don't you? You don't have the actual courage of your convictions I suspect. The idea of 40 million women imprisoned for life isn't really palatable, is it?

As far as I know, I never impregnated anyone inadvertently. But I'm not so self-righteous to think it never could have happened or that I should be the judge over whether someone else should bear a child that they are not yet ready to take care of.

I think this lame story is a poorly written work o...

2009-07-16T12:11:09.300-07:00

I think this lame story is a poorly written work of fiction.

I just don't have this glowing version of humanity...

2009-07-16T11:10:19.473-07:00

I just don't have this glowing version of humanity you do. People aren't birth-controlling is all. It's like when you mail your check or think you're mailing your check in to pay your credit card company only thing is somehow you left your check in the drawer, you're doing too much, abortion is like that. Also when you have a dead fetus on your hands you hope the sex was worth it, nothing worse than an abortion and the sex wasn't even something to write home about. There's also the inconvenience of making the app't. Abortion is absolutely necessary in many people's minds but to me it's existentially absurd.

"There are over 40 million women who've had aborti...

2009-07-16T07:28:09.478-07:00

"There are over 40 million women who've had abortions."

& many of them are repeat offenders, dig up that statistic why don't ya? so much so that even the abortionists get tired of seeing their sorry faces. But the commonness of an act bears not one whit on its morality, there could be 150 million abortions and they still could be wrong. By this logic if everyone started molesting kids that'd change the morality of the act no?

"They just weren't ready for the responsibility at age 19 or 20."

Well I have a chef friend who that happened to around that age and he and the woman HAD the kid and shortly thereafter married. They're still married and just bought a house so I'd have to posit that most of the women you're talking about just wanted to get humped, LOVE had nothing to do with it.

"Do you really think they belong in prison?"

NO, why do you?

BTW I'm being polite here because it's Danny's blog, come on over to my place and you might hear language you never heard before if you push my buttons. So how many abortions were you responsible for before you were ready to allow a kid to come into the world?? how many of us were planned exactly by our parents? Your abortion mentality is over my head because most people accept the old proverb that "that's life", pro-aborts on the other hand want a perfect world where a kid comes down the pike 'cause it was planned that way. Haven't you ever heard that Life is messy at times? it's all a part of growing up.

Here are more statistics for you: http://www.jo...

2009-07-15T18:28:09.663-07:00

Here are more statistics for you:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/uslifetimeab.html

Roughly 41% of women in my age demographic have had an abortion. Do you honestly think you don't know people who've had abortions? Do you really think they belong in prison?

Z-man, Being over your head doesn't exactly strik...

2009-07-15T18:21:49.580-07:00

Z-man,

Being over your head doesn't exactly strike me as a prodigious achievement.

There are over 40 million women in America who've had abortions. I'm pretty sure that some of them are people that you know, maybe even love. Do you really think that they are all murderers at heart?

Most of the women that I know who had abortions in college went on to become wives and mothers who, what do you know, love their children deeply. They just weren't ready for that kind of responsibility at age 19 or 20. What's so incomprehensible about this?

I love being a father, something I became at age 33. I could not have handled it when I was 19, because I was still a kid.

Pro-abortion mindset as exemplified by Chuck compl...

2009-07-15T12:40:46.673-07:00

Pro-abortion mindset as exemplified by Chuck completely over my head. 100's of methods of birth control, choose one! People who feel not a pang over abortion, bunch of sick puppies imo and they wouldn't think twice about starving you to death if you're a drain on their medical expenses. Sounds like those college chicks Chuck mentions like a little Hoover action from time to time, tad creepy in my book.

Gee, I got my red bed sheets at Target. You must n...

2009-07-14T21:02:32.733-07:00

Gee, I got my red bed sheets at Target. You must not get out much.

An abortion is not a medical procedure, it is elec...

2009-07-14T20:16:38.035-07:00

An abortion is not a medical procedure, it is elective and it ends a human life. To put that in the same category as people to help those with medical bills is wrong.

Okay, I'll bite -- I think abortion is completely ...

2009-07-14T11:01:49.231-07:00

Okay, I'll bite -- I think abortion is completely moral.

And show me the soul on the anatomy chart. I'm curious where it is located and at what point it magically enters the womb.

Abortion is not "so normal and commonplace." Gee, there's only been approximately 50 million of them in the U.S. since Roe v. Wade was decided.

http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/facts/abortionstats.html

Basically half of adult women will have an abortion at some point in their lives. And oddly enough, for most of them it just isn't the trauma you think it is or should be. I knew any number of women in college who had abortions (they were fortunate enough to be able to afford them) and I didn't see any sign that any of them were conflicted or depressed about it. It was just a reality -- they were pregnant at a time in their lives when they didn't want to be.

Parties to raise money for medical procedures are all too common in our society -- if you all value life so much, why don't you work for universal health care.

I'm waiting for a Gray-Headed Brother chime-in but...

2009-07-10T12:53:37.577-07:00

I'm waiting for a Gray-Headed Brother chime-in but the story reminds me of one of my hippy cousin's first girlfriends, some Tofu chick with a smelly weasel as a pet who casually said to one of the guests at a party I was invited to "there should be more abortions." I don't want to blame John Lennon for all of this but the story has a vague Beatlesque feel like maybe the college senior works in some Eastern Mountain Sports store (a cross between a yuppie and a hippy) and her and her friends are smoking pot while driving and you're in the back seat and you just want to light up a cig and they get offended, also big on animal rights. I'm sorry for this analysis which may be unfair but I have a very liberal cousin history (heavy on the Woodstock) so I'm biased.

This should shock me, but sadly it doesn't. We ha...

2009-07-09T16:21:54.982-07:00

This should shock me, but sadly it doesn't. We have de-valued human life even faster than the US dollar.