Wednesday, March 26, 2008

Fox News and Media Bias

Liberals have a passionate hatred for Fox News. They see it not only as a mouthpiece of the Republican establishment, but as a hateful perversion of what the media should be. They believe that its coverage is not only unfair, but wrong. Limbaugh, Coulter, and Rove are despised on the left. Fox News is hated with a passion.

Fox News does try to attract a conservative audience. That is undeniable, and those conservatives who attempt to refute this end up trying to pass off Alan Colmes and Greta Van Susteren (who covers entertainment figures almost exclusively) as mainstays of the network. Of course, they aren’t—the real stars are Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, and they run the show. A typical O’Reilly Factor segment usually features two obscure pundits, one conservative, and the other liberal, who yap at each other for a while before O’Reilly shouts his position, which he loudly declares the correct one. A Hannity and Colmes segment usually features Hannity and a well-known conservative against the squirrel-like Colmes and a completely obscure liberal. On Fox News, conservatives always win.

Fox’s opinion shows are solidly conservative. Their news division is much less ideological, although it does lean to the right. Fox News’ liberal analysts seem fairly conservative. For example, Juan Williams is hardly a typical member of the Democrat Party. (He wrote a book which told blacks to be self-reliant, which is taboo in most liberal circles). Fox News does deliver the news fairly accurately, and probably more impartially than most of the other networks. However, it would a stretch to claim that it has no ideological bias.

What liberals do not understand, however, is that Fox News obviously fills some niche that the rest of the media does not. Conservatives watch Fox News almost exclusively. Why? Because liberals control the rest of the cable news networks. Liberals scoff at this charge, but conservatives don’t; they tune in to Fox News.

Fox News is mildly partisan, but they do at least pay lip service to the notion that they are fair and balanced. MSNBC doesn’t even try to do that. Their line-up is Hardball with Chris Matthews, David Gregory, Matthews again, Countdown with Keith Olbermann (this is their big show—sometimes, it gets over a million viewers. That’s almost as many as Brit Hume!), Verdict with Dan Abrams, Countdown again, then a prison documentary (I have no idea who watches those). Matthews worked in the Carter White House, Gregory built a very liberal as part of the White House press corps, and Dan Abrams is enough of a liberal to gloat about Rush Limbaugh possibly being arrested for election fraud.

Keith Olbermann is their big star—the guy who gets the ratings, and has the influence around the network. Recently (March 20, 2008), Olbermann felt the need to investigate fully the implications behind the revelations that State Department employees illegally accessed Barack Obama’s records. MSNBC gave him an entire advertisement free hour. He is everywhere on MSNBC—in addition to his nightly show, he also anchors election coverage.

Olbermann is incredibly liberal. He has called for President Bush to resign numerous times, compared Bill O’Reilly to Hitler, and has accused the U.S. of invading Iraq for oil. However, while liberals see creeping fascism in the fact that Bill O’Reilly is given a nightly forum, they see Keith Olbermann as the second coming of Edward R. Murrow. They do not see anything wrong with Olbermann or the rest of MSNBC’s exclusively liberal line-up.

Okay, MSNBC has liberal commentators, but so does Fox News. What about their news division? MSNBC does not even make a pretense of objectivity. Their election night coverage has Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as anchors. Newsweek magazine supplies the analysts. (They have something is common with the MSNBC people: neither of them has an audience). MSNBC clearly caters exclusively to a liberal audience.

Liberals, of course, have no problem with this blatant bias. In their world, bias is something found only in the conservative media. They cannot conceive of finding partiality in their network of choice.

This double standard is infuriating, but there is a silver lining. Fox News has the top five rated cable news shows—and MSNBC’s shows have the lowest ratings. Hypocrisy and liberalism do not pay.

34 Comments:

At March 26, 2008 at 7:19 PM , Blogger Beth said...

There is always a silver lining when it comes to being conservative, because we are afterall, RIGHT!

 
At March 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stupid argument. Liberals are no more hypocritical than conservatives for complaining about bias at Fox.

And there's a fairly large difference. Most mainstream conservative bloggers, pundits and talk show hosts DENY that Fox News is biased. They write articles defending it, they lavish it with praise, including people like Brent Bozell.

When was the last time you saw Kos or TPM or some liberal mag running columns defending the "impartiality" of MSNBC? Haven't seen any lately.

So the difference is simple. Conservatives are liars, and liberals aren't, because I haven't seen many liberals denying MSNBC is biased lately. It is, but your claim that it is "more" biased than Fox is a complete joke.

Your claim that Hannity and Colmes usually features a conservative and liberal guest is also a flat out lie. Hannity & Colmes is the most lopsidedly biased show on the network, it's guest list is nearly 75% Republican/conservative. Any idiot with a notepad can sit down and count up the guests themselves.

Similarly, if you're going to claim that their "reporting" is only "slightly" biased, you're once again, lying. Carl Cameron is a proven journalist fraud who fabricated quotes by John Kerry during the 2004 election, repeatedly. Major Garret is a partisan hack who once wrote a book called "The Enduring Revolution", in which he fell to his knees and kissed every square inch of Newt Gingrich's large, redneck ass. The man is a blatant partisan hack, and so is Jim Angle.

Brit Hume doesn't even have a democrat on his debate panel. Krauthammer, Barnes and Hume are all Republicans, and Kondracke is a non-liberal centrist.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 5:11 AM , Blogger Beth said...

Well Mr. Anonymous, everyone has a right to their own opinion, I'm not sure how Daniel can be a liar for expressing his opinion. I think liberals for the most part don't see bias because the MSM is speaking to them, perhaps that same reasoning is why some conservatives feel the same way about FOX. I do, however, actually hear some objective criticism from conservative against FOX whereas I don't see any liberals ever criticize the liberal-leaning outlets.

Eh, I have a feeling this drive-by anonymous person won't be come back to discuss this.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 5:35 AM , Anonymous Kris said...

Not to mention the fact that there is NEVER any sort of "conservative" angle to any debate/arguement/discussion on shows on MSNBC such as Countdown, or Verdict. Never...hell, the channel just took off Tucker, the only person with any sort of "Conservative" fiber on that network.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 5:57 AM , Blogger Beth said...

Libs don't see it as biased, they have been given such a steady dose of liberalism in TV, movies and the so-called neutral MSM that they just think of the liberal POV as normal.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

Quite honestly, as a Conservative, I find it almost laughable that people make the argument that FOX News is actually Conservative. Anyone that were to take a long hard look at their list of contributors will find that it is riddled with "Neo-"Conservatives. These particular individuals hold very strong foreign policy positions (teetering on interventionalism as we've seen) but that, just as their Liberal counterparts, they too have a healthy appetite for yet Bigger and Increasingly expanding Government.

Of course, the problem for Liberals is that the Neo-Conservative's appetite for Big Government is fed by quite a different menu.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 10:07 AM , Blogger Daniel Ruwe said...

anonymous--did you actually read my post? Or did you see "Fox News" and fly into a fit of rage. To take your "points" one by one:
a) I said that those conservatives who deny that FNC is biased are wrong. Didn't you read that part?
b) Do liberals deny that MSNBC is biased? I don't know, but they don't seem to think its a problem. Fox's bias is wrong, MSNBC's bias is reporting.
c) MSNBC is easily more biased than FNC. FNC's line-up is: Smith, Hume, O'Reilly, Hannity, Colmes, and van Susteren. Smith and Hume may lean slightly conservative, O'Reilly and Hannity are conservatives, Colmes is a liberal, and Susteren covers mostly nonpartisan stuff. So you have mildly conservative reporters, two strong conservatives, and one liberal. MSNBC is soldily liberal from top to bottom.
d) Over 75% of the guests on H&C are conservative? I don't think so.
You seem to be proving my point: liberals have a passionate, irrational hatred of Fox News.

BTW, would it kill "anonymous" to make up a screen name? It's not hard to click the "Name/URL" button.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 10:40 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

"BTW, would it kill "anonymous" to make up a screen name? It's not hard to click the "Name/URL" button."

But Daniel, it's much more difficult to have the courage of one's convictions when one is not willing to associate such convictions with oneself.

And, as it is said, One cannot eat their cake and have it too.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 1:09 PM , Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Keith Olberman was a 2 bit Sports analyst on an offbeat station in California when I lived there.

I'm shocked he even has a show because he sucked as a sports caster, he sucks on this other show he's got, he just sucks!

And dont even get me started on "Nutball With Chris Matthews".

 
At March 27, 2008 at 1:46 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

Isn't it rather ironic that a sportscaster could be such a hardcore liberal? I mean think of it...

Here you have a guy who is obsessed with sports and the athletic spirit (and let's be honest, the athletic spirit is an individual spirit for even the best of teams were nothing without the greatness of individuals) completely throwing that spirit and ideology out the window when it comes to politics.

You think Walter Payton ever thought for a moment that he should not try to gain as many rushing yards as he could simply out of "fairness" to another running back in his team or out of "fairness" for the other team?? Hell no.

You think Ali ever thought about taking some extra jabs and uppercuts because he wanted the other guy to have some of the glory? Hell no.

It's so backasswards when you think about Olberman and his liberalism (given his affinity for sports) that I can't even think of it.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 1:54 PM , Blogger Daniel Ruwe said...

Good point, Soapie. I never thought of that, but the sports ethic is conservative. Baseball in particular relies on the individual, and Olbermann is a huge baseball fan (one of his few good points).

 
At March 27, 2008 at 2:17 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

Thanks Daniel. I wish someone would call him on it. Of course, he'd likely invoke the "team" sport argument. Funny, I don't see the whole team striking out batters at the plate or the whole team knocking them out of the park for that matter.

 
At March 27, 2008 at 2:26 PM , Blogger Beth said...

Nor does the "team" go to the table when negotiating a contract!

 
At March 27, 2008 at 6:09 PM , Blogger Damian G. said...

I disagree about Shepard Smith leaning conservative. He has mocked global warming sceptics and attacked the infamous Bob Corker Senate commercial as racist. If anything, he's entirely non-partisan, if not liberal-leaning.

And O'Reilly is more conservative-leaning than outright conservative. He believes people are responsible for global warming, supports same-sex civil unions, opposes capital punishment in most cases and thinks that invading Iraq was a mistake.

 
At March 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM , Anonymous Grebrook said...

"Do liberals deny that MSNBC is biased? I don't know,"

ROFL. Right, this is where the argument ends, because you're basically admitting that your entire article is therefore speculation. If you can't find examples of liberals defending MSNBC's "neutrality" why would you write an outraged article about them doing so?

You basically just admitted you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Beautiful.

And it doesn't matter if you admit Fox is biased. Most conservatives do not admit it. And I could prove that pretty easily.

By the way, you once again distorted FNC"s lineup.

This is FNC's lineup:

Fox & Friends: Kilmeade, Doocey and and Gretchen Carlson are all partisan Republicans. Carlson even referred to Ted Kennedy as a "hostile enemy" of the United States.

Cavuto: Conservative Republican
John Gibson is no longer around, but he was for nearly a decade, and the man was a partisan Republican
Hume: Partisan Republican with a Republican panel. Slightly conservative? That's a laugh.
O'Reilly: Conservative Republican
Hannity & Colmes: One Republican, one Democrat

And like you said, Susteren barely does politics and doesn't give her point of view.

By the way, yes. Hannity & Colmes is lopsidedly Republican.

Personally I love your pathetic response that I have a "passionate hatred" of Fox News. So the fact that I replied to your article at all proves it? Grow up. Honestly. You can't win the debate, so you try to act like the mere fact that I'm engaging in the debate proves I'm an "IRRATIONAL OVER THE TOP OUT OF CONTROL LIBERAL". Honestly, get over yourself.

I'll make you a bet. Watch Hannity & Colmes tonight, and count up the guests. If the number of conservatives and Republicans don't outnumber the libs and Dems by a 2-to-1 margin, I'll admit that I'm a "foaming at the mouth liberal who doesn't know what he's talking about".

If they do outnumber the libs and Dems by a 2-to-1 margin, then you have to write a new article explicitly talking about how you have no idea what you're talking about.

You game?

 
At March 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

"I'll make you a bet. Watch Hannity & Colmes tonight, and count up the guests. If the number of conservatives and Republicans don't outnumber the libs and Dems by a 2-to-1 margin, I'll admit that I'm a "foaming at the mouth liberal who doesn't know what he's talking about".

If they do outnumber the libs and Dems by a 2-to-1 margin, then you have to write a new article explicitly talking about how you have no idea what you're talking about."


How about you add up the number of Leftward leaning guests that appear on Hannity and Colmes in any given week. Then, you add up the number of Rightward leaning guests that show up on Olberman's show (or whatever else they have on MSNBC that's equivalent) for the same week.

That, I think, would be a fair barometer of who stands where with respect to the spectrum of "fairness".

Personally, I don't happen to care whether one is Right or Left, what I do care about is whether they have the intestinal fortitude to admit they are while trying to convince their viewers they are not (this goes for print media as well).

 
At March 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM , Anonymous Grebrook said...

"That, I think, would be a fair barometer of who stands where with respect to the spectrum of "fairness"."

No, actually, that's completely retarded, and you don't seem to be bright enough to realize it.

That's kind of like arguing that if Hitler killed more people during the Holocaust than Joseph Stalin did in the Gulag that therefore Stalin must have been a great champion of human rights.

Are you fundamentally stupid or something? Honestly.

Because, once again, what it comes down to at the end of the day is who claims what is balanced.

Conservatives, by and large, claim Fox is balanced. Liberals, by and large, do not claim MSNBC is biased. The fact that Johnny Dollar links to an article in the New Republic criticizing MSNBC for its partisanship is pretty good proof of that.

Can any of you point to an article in the National Review or the Washington Times criticizing Fox for its over-the-top bias?

Doubt it.

As long as conservatives claim Fox is fair, conservatives are liars.

Liberals aren't making the same mistake about MSNBC.

 
At March 28, 2008 at 9:29 PM , Anonymous Grebrook said...

Edit:

"Liberals by and large, do not claim MSNBC is BALANCED" (not biased).

 
At March 29, 2008 at 7:02 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

73Grebrook, if you could exhibit the reading comprehension of even a
4th grader (rather than launching insults), if only for this one brief instance, you might have picked up on the fact that I placed quotation marks around the word fairness.

The purpose of my having done so was as a point of irony. Because, as you see, the concept of fairness is one that is concluded and perceived only by the consumer (or more appropriately in this case; the viewer). It doesn't matter if FOX News perceives its product and promotes it as fair and balanced just as it doesn't matter if Bill Gates might think that a full version of Microsoft Vista operating system might be a bargain at $900. The consumers make that assessment.

So, all things being equal here, it is quite obvious that the Consumers perceive FOX News as much more balanced than other news outlets.

And, should I need a better barometer to make my point, I will point you in the general direction of a little thing called ratings which prove my point. A factual point you ought to be able to concede (that is unless of course you're "fundamentally stupid or something".)

 
At March 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM , Anonymous Grebrook said...

"So, all things being equal here, it is quite obvious that the Consumers perceive FOX News as much more balanced than other news outlets. "

Wow, that arguemtn is even dumber than the last one you made. By the time this debate is over, your IQ is going to match your shoe size.

Now you're just using moral relativism. I.e., they're balanced if the people say they're balanced. Once again, kind of like arguing that "Killing Jews is ok because the majority of German citizens says its ok!"

You're an idiot if you actually believe that. And no, Fox News ratings don't prove anything.

Know why? There are 300 million in this country. Fox has a daily audience of about 1 and 1/2 million. That's not particularly impressive.

Take Limbaugh for example. He has a daily audience that more than triples Fox News. Yet, according to a poll by Scott Rasmussen (who is regularly touted by Fox News), about 2/3rds of the American people dislike Rush Limbaugh. Two thirds.

And polls have also shown that people perceive Fox as the most biased. A majority named Fox as being a conservative-biased outlet according to a poll that even the partisan GOP hacks at Newbusters were pimping.

Hence, you lose the argument, because you're a liar and you're an idiot.

Gg thx no re

 
At March 31, 2008 at 6:41 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

"Now you're just using moral relativism. I.e., they're balanced if the people say they're balanced. Once again, kind of like arguing that "Killing Jews is ok because the majority of German citizens says its ok!"

First off, your juvenile insults do not make your arguments just. That said, allow me to refute the aforementioned statement within the confines of what I've been saying with respect to Perception and "Fairness".

I rightfully asserted that "the concept of fairness is one that is concluded and perceived only by the consumer (or more appropriately in this case; the viewer). It doesn't matter if FOX News perceives its product and promotes it as fair and balanced just as it doesn't matter if Bill Gates might think that a full version of Microsoft Vista operating system might be a bargain at $900. The consumers make that assessment.

During the reign of Nazi Germany, the perception by the greater German population at the time, was that their cause was just (and/or "Fair"). Obviously, history has found this to be quite the opposite (rightfully so).

As I asserted in my earlier posts, the concept of "fairness" is one of perception. It does not imply that this perception is just or that it is valid. It only implies that it exists [as a perception].

And so, just as the perception of "fairness" exists with respect to FOX News and its viewers, so too did the concept of the killing of Jews as "ok" exist within Nazi Germany.

And, as I just stated, this is not to imply that either of these perceptions is just and/or valid. It only implies that they exist.

 
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