Thursday, May 1, 2008

Is McCain Acceptable?

Many conservatives are unsure of whether or not to support John McCain for the presidency. They feel that, as conservatives, they must support only candidates who are also conservatives, and no others. They believe that giving their support to a candidate who has consistently fought against important conservatives issues does not deserve their support.

Before examine whether this attitude is the correct one, it is important to set some premises.

1. Pure conservatism is not a majority political philosophy. Most Americans support some facets of the conservative movement, but reject others. Evangelicals like the social aspects, low taxes and loose regulations appeal to people in business, and a strong national defense appeals to those who worry about security. Sometimes, there is an overlap of supporters of each of these issues—these people are the Republican Party base. But there are not enough to win a national election.

Therefore, conservatives are forced to make pragmatic alliances. There will be people who will not agree with all aspects of conservative ideology, but agree with enough to support key conservative causes. It is crucial that the conservative movement ally themselves with these people, even if sometimes there are costs. Conservatives will have to be pragmatic; they will be forced to sacrifice.

2. Conservatives will have to make the Republican Party their home. Independent and third party candidates never win, and rarely make even the slightest amount of difference. Furthermore, the ranks of their supporters are often filled with lunatics and extremists, which would serve to sully the reputations of any conservatives joining them.

Even when third party candidates do make a difference, those who voted for them are rarely happy they did so. Many conservatives voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996. They got Bill Clinton. A small but important group of liberals voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. They have spent the past eight years regretting that decision.

And anyway, the premise behind third party voting (that the party will listen to those disenchanted voters) doesn’t work. The Republicans didn’t suddenly break to the right after Perot cost them at least one, and possibly two, elections. John Kerry was no more liberal than Al Gore. If conservatives want to have any measure of political influence, it will have to be from within the Republican Party.

3. The only remaining question is: which tenets of political belief are essential for an acceptable candidate? That question will, of course, differ from person to person, as not all conservatives have the same priorities. However, there a few issues that everyone can agree are essential in a conservative—a commitment to life, support for a strong national defense, the willingness to fight for individual liberties, and a belief in a small, limited government.

McCain has a pretty good pro-life record. He is against abortion, has supported every pro-life judicial nominee, and has never flip-flopped on the subject of life. The only blemish on his record is a support for embryonic stem cell research, although that issue’s importance is lessened by recent scientific advances rendering the practice at least somewhat obsolete.

McCain is easily the best candidate on the war. He is one of the few men in America who always supported the Iraq struggle, and advocated the correct strategy long before most did. Whatever his weaknesses, few conservatives accuse him of lacking in national defense credentials.

On issues of individual liberties, McCain has a mixed record. He supports the Second Amendment, and his health care plan, while not perfect, is not particularly intrusive. However, his support for aggressive government action against global warming is troubling. However, taken as a whole, his record on this issue is fairly strong, if not exemplary.

It would be impossible to call John McCain a libertarian. However, his tax plan is a pleasant surprise to many conservatives (he took many of his ideas from Fred Thompson’s tax plan). It features an optional flat tax, which would spare citizens the hassle of following the IRS’s onerous regulations. He also supports cutting the corporate tax rate and eliminating the AMT. And of course, he is well known as a mortal enemy of earmarks.

In fact, McCain’s weaknesses on limited government are more of what he wouldn’t do than what he would. He has spent little time denouncing our overstretched welfare system, which in the absence of any government action will lead to bankruptcy. He understands that high taxes and strident regulations are bad—but is still partially wedded to some of the ideals of the New Deal. He has rarely if ever mentioned a need to cut benefits.

McCain has his weaknesses. He won’t be a perfect candidate. However, he is reasonably ideologically sound, and certainly no worse than many other recent Republican nominees. He won’t be as conservative as Ronald Reagan—but then, he will probably be more conservative than George W. Bush.

36 Comments:

At May 2, 2008 at 6:25 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

"Is McCain Acceptable?"

Depends you ask. As I've maintained from the get go, Politics is not about winning elections. It is about pursuing a cause. The party/candidate is only the means to an end. And, if that end (i.e., lower taxes, less government regulations/mandates, greater liberty and freedom, et al.) isn't attainable through that particular party or candidate, then voting for them doesn't help you in your cause.

Some people have a tendency to view politics as a Democrat vs. Republican sort of partisan ideological battle. And, to a certain extent it is. However, not only is that perception not all together genuine or accurate, it is one that is largely exacerbated by the media.

I no longer see politics as a Democrat vs. Republican battle. I see politics as an Us vs. Them sort of battle. Because, whether they be Democrats or Republicans they are one and all Elitists. They do not live or work like you and I. They are a different class of citizen. And, while they may be different ideologically on certain issues, their pursuit is quite similar. They want their respective party to have exclusive control. And, in a great many ways, that control extends to exclusive power over the people.

I recognize this. The founding fathers were concerned with this and they made that perfectly evident in their writings.

I will no longer vote for any candidate of any stripe who's primary objective as a public servant is to champion Freedom and Liberty above all else.

As I've said before, it is not enough for John McCain to be a patriot and a war hero fighting for Freedom and Liberty abroad while stifling it here at home.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 6:32 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

Oops little typo:

"I will no longer vote for any candidate of any stripe who's primary objective as a public servant is NOT championing Freedom and Liberty above all else."

But, they've got to have the record to support it. And, with respect to the First Amendment, Taxes, regulations, et al., it is my belief that John McCain is not championing these causes towards the pursuit of my desired end.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 7:06 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

What's more, McCain blamed the 35W bridge collapse in Minneapolis on Earmarks. Sorry but this guy is about as uninformed as you can get.

A) The bridge collapse was a result of faulty gusset plates. It wasn't as if their wasn't enough money for inspections of the bridge as McCain contends. The fact is that the gusset plates were 1/2 inch too thin. So, everytime the inspections were done, their assessment was to inspect the gusset plates. But, by their account, the gusset plates they were to inspect was noted as the correct thickness. Most importantly however, is the fact that McCain cited "earmarks" as a problem for the bridge collapse. Again, this guy is grossly uninformed.

The Minnesota Office of the Legislative Auditor issued a report in which their data cited that "...state and local governments in Minnesota generally spend about 40 to 60 percent more per capita on highways than the national average."

For the record, the 35W bridge is part of the trunk highway system.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 7:27 AM , Blogger Beth said...

I do find it a sad commentary when we have to say about a presidential candidate "are they acceptable". Am I the only one who finds that disturbing?

 
At May 2, 2008 at 9:48 AM , Blogger Beth said...

And Daniel, I thought you were thinking of voting for Barr, what happened to that?

 
At May 2, 2008 at 2:47 PM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

Are we so fanatical in our conservatism that they we are willing to sabotage the McCain candidacy ?
John McCain may not the conservative many people are looking for, in fact he may not even be a conservative at all , but I will vote for him anyway
You want to reject John McCain. Why? So we can watch more pro-abortion judges placed on the bench, more assaults on traditional marriage, this time with the tacit support of the White House ? A foreign policy based on appeasing our enemies, selling out those who've risked everything to support us, just to placate elite European opinions? Gutting our intelligence and surveillance programs to please paranoids, conspiracy nuts and the ACLU? No thanks
The McCain bashers here sound like Democrat trolls that have been sent out to disrupt the conservative blogoshphere
So maybe you are a Liberal Republican, or a Green Party Activist, or an Conservative Democrat or a Independent, or a Social Conservative, or a Tree Hugging Song Singing Welfare Grabbing Socialist or what?
Or maybe they should start a petition to start their own party, and have some village idiot like Alan keys the political activist, and the Loony Tune Perennial Candidate
as it’s candidate, he hasn’t had a good run in about 18 -24 months. . The Fanatical Conservatives would do anything to sabotage the McCain candidacy
And now what? Obama will be the next President, that's what!
Cherry picking our candidate is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place, and if the loyal Conservatives aren’t careful, they will throw the entire country into a liberal free for all.

The far right, who I call the loyal Conservatives slam McCain now, but come July or August, after the Democratic nominee is chosen, will flock to McCain like flies to raw meat. And the radio hosts of the Right, like Limbaugh, and Coulter and the others... who say they're supporting Hillary and they would rather vote for her. Who are they going to vote for?...I’’d like to see that in writing. You watch, they'll be backing McCain as well. And if they don't, look forward to having a President named Barack Hussein Obama. And that's who will be answering that 3 AM phone call.
Good for Rush, though. It’s really so gosh darn heart warming to know that such a world wide known and prominent Conservative is willing to stand on principles and not get on the bandwagon for whoever the nominee is.. That’s really a "cool" and meaningful nobel gesture.
At least he’ll have 4 years of bitching and moaning and a reason to keep his radio show at high ratings when he has Obama to make fun out of for the next 4 or 8 years.
Can you just imagine the damage our country will endure if Democrats control all three branches of government for 4 to 8 years? Just look at what they did to Congress in only one year

 
At May 2, 2008 at 5:12 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

DD, I'll try to be as respectfull here as I can: You are not a public policy wonk. I don't know that you're even a hardcore issues wonk. If you spent 1/16th of your energy familiarizing yourself with public policy and issues instead of demonizing Hillary and Obama at every opportunity (and echoing the talking points of the Neo-conservative party pundit cheerleaders over at FOXNEWS, you'd know that on most of those issues of which you mentioned, McCain is in lock step with, if not Hillary and Obama, then maybe like a Bill Richardson or something along those lines.

You keep uttering the same old talking points without looking at the facts behind what it is you're saying.

Again, you bring up the judicial issue and again you ignore McCain's record in that regard. His talk otherwise is exactly that. He was one of the gang of 14 that got in bed with Democrats to block Bush's conservative appointees. I don't know how many more times I need to bring that up but the guy doesn't pass the smell test on that issue.

Foreign policy huh? That's McCain's big political point you want to tout? Yeah okay...the guy advocated closing Guantanamo and giving the combatants access to our legal court system. He is against "enhanced" interrogation techniques. He's lauded as some sort of a Military God for his surge position. A surge which all indications point to as being temporary as troop casualties rise yet again (looks like another surge might be in order huh).

But, what really takes the cake is your assertion that people like myself with "flock to McCain like flies to raw meat." I can't speak for others but me??...I'll tell you flat out my good man that on that point; you have drunk the kool-aid. I don't stand by McCain now, I won't stand by him later so long as he continues to throw the First Amendment under the bus, advocate his Global Warming Cap and Trade legislation, and a whole host of other issues.

Am I some hard-core Right Wing Freak? By your account apparently so. Really though, I'm just a guy who loves his Freedom and his Liberty, loves his right to free speech, loves to keep his hard earned money, and loves to make decisions for himself and inform himself with facts that exist in an everyday world.

You've become such a party loyalist that I honestly for the life of me can't fathom you having to choose between Stalin or Hitler. But, make no mistake about it, you'd chose one or the other. Your premise warrants it.

I however...I'd choose neither. And why???...it is for the simple fact that their premise leads me towards the same end. One slowly one perhaps more rapidly.

Now, I'm not inferring that Hillary or Obama serve as Hitler and McCain as Stalin. But, what I am inferring is that McCain by his own accord has undermined the First Amendment, Freedom and Liberty, etc. And, while he ought to be in the process of doing a 180 degree turn on that, he isn't. In fact, quite the opposite is true.

You don't see that now. You likely will not see that later. You'd rather convince yourself he is something that he is not.

Vote accordingly. But, whatever happens you'll have to live with the consequences whatever they may be. Are you prepared for that?

I know full well that I am.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 5:26 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

"So maybe you are a Liberal Republican, or a Green Party Activist, or an Conservative Democrat or a Independent, or a Social Conservative, or a Tree Hugging Song Singing Welfare Grabbing Socialist or what?"

Nope. Just a good old fashioned true blue conservative. One that would like to remind you that it was not I who embraced the key tenet of Socialism (that is private property's existence serving as the dreaded "public good") when the issue of smoking bans being forced upon private business owners came up.

Whereas I was concerned with the owner's right to private property, you were concerned with your own self interest in asserting your non-existent "right" to a smoke-free environment upon someone else's premises. I'll remind you also made the ridiculous assertion that somehow the employees were "forced" to work in such environments.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 7:04 PM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

Soapbox, I'll try to be as respectfull here as I can:


I won't even waste my time answering the remarks you just made, because I'll be sorry in the morning if I did.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 8:13 PM , Blogger Beth said...

DD2, sounds like you have no response to Soapbox because he makes points that you cannot refute.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 8:41 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

Perhaps the only thing you'll have to be sorry about is the fact that you cannot successfully refute the obvious; that being of course that what I posted was nothing but the absolute 100% undiluted truth.

 
At May 2, 2008 at 9:19 PM , Blogger Beth said...

DD2, maybe if you could even take just one point, such as the Gang of 14, and tell us how McCain's actions there do not make you questions whom he might appoint as judges, we'd understand where you are coming from.

btw, I could care less if Rush or Malkin or Coulter decides to back McCain, that is their problem, not mine.

 
At May 3, 2008 at 5:25 AM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

Beth said...
DD2, sounds like you have no response to Soapbox because he makes points that you cannot refute
WRONG, DEAD WRONG, Is that what you have read in my post? Can’t you read between the lines and see that I don’t wish to discuss it, after the way you just wrote a post insulting me and my views? if you cannot see where I wrote that I'm not going to bother getting in to this thing with either one of you then it’s a lost cause. How many times are you going to sit there and type the same old, same old? Inevitably, you are going to think of a new thing to say and I’ll say hallelujah. But until then, I won’t waste my time. You say that I have nothing to refute? I can go on for days refuting you and I have in the past. But you think that saying what you did here in this board was a request for me to refute you, No it was a put down. And I don’t play pissing game with the likes of one trick ponies like Soapbox.
You thought it was cute to write a blog using MY name as a “Call Out” I thought that you got the hint in the reply I gave you then. Then you have the self-serving idea that you offered me an Olive branch. Well I must have missed that Olive branch, because I sure as hell didn’t see any.
As for the subject of my constant Hillary bashing, yes, that’s what I do. And I’m going to continue to do it because I have a firm belief that Hillary Clinton will bring this country to socialism ..But you have a vendetta against John McCain I keep seeing the SAME old crap written time after time about 10 or 15 year old nonsense, Global Warming and minuscule things like that.
I don’t give a damn about it and I’m not going to sit here and argue it for months as you care to do.

I've tried to ignore it for months now, but you keep up your silly attack on everyone who supports McCain to the degree that it has become a joke.
So go on and give your support of 2 to the likes of FOOLS like Alan Keyes or the other " MORE informed" Idiots like his, maybe he is "informed" about the bridge collapse in Minneapolis. Go ahead and support Fools and Nuts that haven’t a snow-balls chance in hell of beating the democrats, ah but I forgot, you have your morals and you principles. Have fun with them..

 
At May 3, 2008 at 6:05 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

What you perceive as personal attacks, are nothing more than the putting forth of factual data which run counter to what you're saying with respect to Senator McCain.

I don't spend my time running countless blogs about Senator McCain. However, when someone tries to make the case that somehow he's this conservative on all of these issues, I'm going to point out the facts which dictate otherwise.

Once again, you haven't addressed any of the positions I mentioned with respect to McCain.

Instead, what you've done is resorted to an argument from intimidation by avoiding any intention to address those issues which run counter to what you want to believe, and instead you've replaced that with criticisms of any third party candidate we might choose to support.

That's fine. But, much like pointing out the incessant flaws of Obama or Hillary, it doesn't change the state of facts and evidence with respect to Senator McCain.

McCain-Feingold — the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo.

McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.

McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry — through reporting, regulating, and taxing authority of greenhouse gases — in American history.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights.

McCain-Reimportation of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety.

McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric — tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class.

As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.

Gang of 14

McCain-ACLU — the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists).

McCain has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons — despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing such a dangerous population.

While McCain proudly and repeatedly points to his battles with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who had to rebuild the U.S. military and fight a complex war, where was McCain in the lead-up to the war — when the military was being dangerously downsized by the Clinton administration and McCain’s friend, former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen? Where was McCain when the CIA was in desperate need of attention? Also, McCain was apparently in the dark about al-Qaeda like most of Washington, despite a decade of warnings.

Miniscule?? Surely you can't be serious.

A Vendetta against McCain??

Any "Vendetta" is without question McCain's own doing.

 
At May 3, 2008 at 7:19 AM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

I've heard this some old nonsense from you for a year now.
Nothing new here, I’ve addressed this old nonsense time and time again and yet you feel that it’s like something you just came up with today.
And yes, I do perceive what you said as a personal attack. As I did when my name was put into Beth’s Blog as is I was the subject of a Super Market Tabloid.
As I told you in my previous post, I’m not playing these Pissing games with you . Because, you can not bring up anything new, all I hear form you and your cohorts is the same old dribble that you’ve been saying now for a year.
Spare me your lame tongue flapping. Have it all your own way, sit out the election or support some dumb 3rd party retarded imbecile like Alan keys that hasn’t a chance in hell to win. But has your kind of principles. Who knows maybe your proposal will work. Maybe you could recruit James Dobson?
In any case, I'm finished here, there's no sense in by arguing with you. I can’t repeat myself and drag up old crap like “No Smoking” laws that were argued 9 months ago.

 
At May 3, 2008 at 9:40 AM , Anonymous The Kentucky Thinker said...

You ask, "Is McCain Acceptable?"
The question should be answered with a reason and a alternative to mccain if you don't think he is acceptable.
I can see that all you folks ar republicans and not democrats, so tell me, If you don't think McCain is acceptable, who is acceptable?
Would you rather have Hillary or Barack instead?

Under McCain's plan, a middle-class family with children would save an average of $2,700. Nearly 25 million American families, he said, pay the AMT annually.
McCain said he would make it harder to raise taxes. It should require a three-fifth-majority vote in Congress to raise taxes," he said.
McCain has also called for a "permanent and immediate reform of the estate tax." He said he wants to exempt estates valued up to $10 million from taxation and cut the tax rate to 15 percent.
And he called for the enactment of "a new and simpler tax system that would give the American people a choice.
Under his HOME plan, McCain has proposed that government offer Americans direct and immediate help: If you can't make your payments, and you're in danger of foreclosure, you will be able to go to any Post Office and pick up a form for a new HOME loan. In place of your flawed mortgage loan, you'll be eligible for a new, 30-year fixed-rate loan backed by the United States government. Citizens will keep their homes, lenders will cut their losses, and everyone will move on following the sounder practices that should have been observed in the first place
What's wrong with that picture?

 
At May 3, 2008 at 9:40 AM , Anonymous The Kentucky Thinker said...

You ask, "Is McCain Acceptable?"
The question should be answered with a reason and a alternative to mccain if you don't think he is acceptable.
I can see that all you folks ar republicans and not democrats, so tell me, If you don't think McCain is acceptable, who is acceptable?
Would you rather have Hillary or Barack instead?

Under McCain's plan, a middle-class family with children would save an average of $2,700. Nearly 25 million American families, he said, pay the AMT annually.
McCain said he would make it harder to raise taxes. It should require a three-fifth-majority vote in Congress to raise taxes," he said.
McCain has also called for a "permanent and immediate reform of the estate tax." He said he wants to exempt estates valued up to $10 million from taxation and cut the tax rate to 15 percent.
And he called for the enactment of "a new and simpler tax system that would give the American people a choice.
Under his HOME plan, McCain has proposed that government offer Americans direct and immediate help: If you can't make your payments, and you're in danger of foreclosure, you will be able to go to any Post Office and pick up a form for a new HOME loan. In place of your flawed mortgage loan, you'll be eligible for a new, 30-year fixed-rate loan backed by the United States government. Citizens will keep their homes, lenders will cut their losses, and everyone will move on following the sounder practices that should have been observed in the first place
What's wrong with that picture?

 
At May 3, 2008 at 6:47 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

Thank you DD for your admission of being privy to the aforementioned shortcomings of McCain.

Your admission ought to serve as a reminder to any other right leaning voters that the very things that kept them from supporting McCain from day one are still the same things that exist and ought to prevent them from supporting him now.

 
At May 3, 2008 at 6:50 PM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

For the record Kentucky, McCain can advocate tax relief til the cows come home. It won't be worth a flippin' hill of beans when you take into account the regulatory tax increases that will result from his global warming cap and trade legislation or his amnesty bill getting passed.

 
At May 3, 2008 at 7:04 PM , Blogger Beth said...

For the record, DD2, I retracted my blog posting mentioning your name, I apologized at your blog and I sent you a personal e-mail apology. I don't know how you could miss any of those olive branches.

Since Daniel began this discussion on McCain, I wouldn't mind hearing from him on some of the issues Soapie brought up about McCain. How about it, Daniel?

 
At May 4, 2008 at 5:36 AM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

Name: Soapboxgod said...
Thank you DD for your admission of being privy to the aforementioned shortcomings of McCain.
Your admission ought to serve as a reminder to any other right leaning voters.

MY WHAT?
Did you read something that I didn't write? Or have you been smoking something that you should be barbequing?

 
At May 4, 2008 at 9:36 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

You admitted DD that you'd "heard this same old nonsense" with respect to McCain.

So, by your own admission, you are apparently privy to all of those shortcomings of McCain with respect to those particular issues are you not? That is the admission to which I'm referring.

Now, perhaps your opinion is that they are not shortcomings. Or, you know they're shortcomings but they haven't detered you from supporting him anyway.

Be it the latter, I can't help but think of that in terms of an individual who is looking towards making a sizeable financial investment. Prior to doing so, they get some information which indicates that the investment may not pan out but yet they still make the investment anyways.

You've criticized my stern position with respect to McCain as fanatical conservatism. But, it seems to be that once I began researching McCain's political history, it was then that I found reason to not support him. In essence, I opted not to make that investment.

So, I guess what strikes me as more seemingly fanatical is that despite that long list of McCain shortcomings, you are unwavering in your support of not only him but virtually any other such Republicans.

 
At May 4, 2008 at 1:12 PM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

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At May 4, 2008 at 1:31 PM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

NO, I didn't admit anything of the kind!
If you read my post again you will see that I didn't say that, I said
" I've heard this some old nonsense "FROM YOU" for a year now."
"FROM YOU"
"FROM YOU"
"FROM YOU"
I was referring to YOUR nonsense, NOT McCain. Get it?

Daniel, I’m sorry about all this on your blog, I promise I won’t be doing any more of this again.

 
At May 5, 2008 at 5:13 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

Well, what I've posted with respect to McCain is, again, the absolute 100% indiluted truth.

You can wish and pray from now until the end of time that what I've posted is merely unfounded rhetoric. But, it most definitely is not.

So, again, you've proven my point in that A) you don't know the first thing about public policy and/or issues and where McCain stands on them; OR

B) You know his position on all of these issues and you just choose to sweep them under the rug.

So, which one is it?

 
At May 5, 2008 at 6:00 AM , Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

If I’ve proven your point, then why do you have to ask....lol
Besides what makes you think that I’m even going to play along with your petty, childish
and STUPID question and answer games?
Find someone else. Perhaps one of your buddies that “YES” you to death.

 
At May 5, 2008 at 7:44 AM , Blogger Name: Soapboxgod said...

"Perhaps one of your buddies that “YES” you to death."

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Now, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

There's nothing petty, childish, or gamish about public policy, issues, where the candidates actually stand on them, and how their positions on them will (through legislative action) affect the Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness for every single American.

 
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